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herein are some discussions between col and
spencer about the origin of syd's bench,
(the placement, the plaque, and getting
it all done), followed by our group's
emails about security & defacement worries.
nb: i obfuscated some names & addresses herein
as requested.
nb: my munging did not change the dates inside
these, so you'll have to sort out how to
parse d/m/y vs m/d/y yourself.
o/___________________
O\ cut here before...
Col Turner sent me this early stuff:
here's a few from 1999. will try to get some more tomorrow.
C
some of these were posted to Echoes.
----
Spencer
13/02/99
The weekend before last, I went to Cambridge to check out the proposed
sites for Syd's bench.
Addenbrooke's Hospital was pretty uninspiring, to say the least.
The site was huge, but covered in car parks and buildings and sick people,
with no lawns or gardens, apart from a lame little shrubbery.
Another suggested site was the University of Cambridge Botanical
Gardens. I managed to get there just before they closed, and was given
a contact number to discuss the possibilities of having a bench placed
in the gardens.
I finally got through to Dr Tim Upson, the Director of the UCBG, on
Wednesday. This is a summary of what he said:
* The gardens are very popular, and already contain a great number of
benches. As space is becoming scarcer, they like to ensure
that each bench they install is in memory of someone who was,
in some small way, connected with the Gardens.
As an example, he suggested that someone
who used to visit frequently would be appropriate. I explained that I
was enquiring on behalf of others, and I didn't directly know the
person in question, but he grew up in Cambridge, and I understood that
he spent a lot of time in the Gardens[1]. Dr. Upson said our proposal
for a bench in his memory sounded perfectly acceptable.
* The UCBG have been using the same bench company, called Lister, for
decades, and have a standard bench which they always use (for continuity
etc.) Some stuff about the bench:
----
Here's some more from 2000, that is it!
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17/01/00
Hi Col,
Excellent news! Well done for keeping everyone interested and the
whole thing going. đŸ™‚
I'm back now, and contacted Dr. Upson last week, but no reply yet. I
just acknowledged his reply to the email I sent just before I left and
let him know that I'm back and ready to proceed.
Any idea how to transfer the funds from your bank account to mine?
I'm not sure if we can get them to do a direct debit if we swap
details, or if you can send a cheque, of if it's more complicated than
that.
Cheers,
Spence
----
11/04/00
Hi Col,
Can you remind me if it was 600 or 650 pounds for the bench? I will
send you a few hundred quid next week. It's probably easier for you if
I get a bank cheque or something made out in English money. I can pay
the fees this end (I will deduct it from the fund). That way it will
save fees your end.
We won't know the final price until the site has been found, cos it
might be that we need some form of platform (flagstones or something)
to rest it on (depending on how squishy the earth is). I forget the
details, but I'll look up the most recent quote we had, soon.
I beleive it was of the order of 400 squid, as opposed to 600.
Which leaves us with the question of what to do with the rest,
but we might as well get this finalized first, so we know how
much, exactly, we'll have left over.
Would you like it made payable to you? You can then stash it in an
account until such time as you have to pay for it.
Yeah, I think that would be best. There's no point in my opening
any other sort of account for just a few weeks, so payable to me is fine.
Once we know the total amount, I can send the rest on.
Come to think of it, it might be better just to send it all once
we know how much it will cost in total. I can just write a cheque
from my current account, then you could send the same amount up to me.
It doesn't matter if I get overdrawn that month cos I've got a
free overdraft facility.
This looks like getting closer to conclusion!
Yep! Do you have any plans to visit England in the foreseeable?
Spence
----
11/08/00
Hi Col,
They reckon that it'll take about 4-6 weeks to arrive from the time
I finalized the order etc, so call it 2 - 4 weeks now. They said they'll
invoice me for it when it arrives, so there's no need to sort out the
dosh until then.
Have an excellent trip!
Spence
-----Original Message-----
From: Col T [SMTP:colin@XXX]
Sent: 30 July 2000 03:36
To: Liddicoat, Spencer
Subject: Re: FW: Bench
Hi Spence
Thanks for the update on the lettering for the bench. Do you have any
indication as to when it might be erected?
Once again, the offer is still there for the money as soon as you need
it.
I'm off to the USA on the 13th Aug for close on 3 weeks and won't be
contactable in that time. If you want some $$$ before I go, please let
me know.
Cheers
Col
----
"Liddicoat, Spencer" wrote:
Hoi Col,
Just to let you know, I've amended my requested inscription to
It's awfully considerate of you to think of me here...
Placed by friends of The Piper /E\ for RKB.
the only difference being "The Piper" instead of "the Piper", ie I've
capitalised the T in "the",
which is what you had in your original email. I think you're right, it's
better with a big T.
By the way, I've recently got web access, and have been blown away by
your
site đŸ™‚
Spence
----
27/09/00
Hi Col,
If you'd like to do that with the bill, then it's fine by me, but I'm happy
to do
it like we said originally. Just wondering, how would you do it? Can you
just
send them a cheque in pounds and your bank sorts out all the conversion
stuff?
Yeah, the trouble is I'm about 100 miles from Cambridge now. I might be
able to get there in a couple of weeks time, but I think a while ago there
was an
Echosian who lives in Cambridge (less than a year ago), perhaps he could
visit sooner. I've no idea who he was though. Does it ring any bells with
you?
Spence
-----Original Message-----
From: Col T [SMTP:colin@XXX]
Sent: 23 September 2000 06:58
To: Liddicoat, Spencer
Subject: Bench
Hi Spence
I have had a brainwave! How about if you send the bill from Dr Upson
directly to me and I can then fix them up without having to stuff you
around!
Let me know what you think.
I know you now live some distance from Cambridge but do you know anybody
in the area who could snap a pic or three of the bench?
Cheers
Col
----
03/10/00
Hi Col
Nice to see you posting to Echoes!
Chers! I dunno when my last was, I think it was another sightings
one ages ago.
I thought I could just get a cheque made out in English money and post
it off. Doesn't worry me either way if I send it to you or direct to Doc
Upson. Why don't we wait for the bill to arrive & figure it out from
there?
Yeah, just wait and see. They seem to be taking their time about it
as usual...
Can't recall this guy. My call to Echoes for somebody in the Cambridge
area has received no response either. I suppose we will have to wait to
see if anybody surfaces.
Ah, bummer. Well, I'm off upcountry ('kin Cheshire!) to see Radiohead
cos I was sleeping off the night before while all the tickets for their
London
gigs sold out. I might be able to call in on the way home, but it depends
on time really, I dunno what time the Gardens close this time of year.
I'll let you know. Anyway, you needn't get your sister to do it, I'll get
up
there in the near future if not this week.
Cheers,
Spence
----
09/10/00
Hi Col,
I called in on the Gardens on the way back from a top Radiohead
gig last week. Took a bunch of shots, and I'm waiting for Tesco to
develop 'em now. I'll have to get someone to scan them though,
cos I don't have access to a scanner. I could send them directly
to you if you like, though I dunno how long that would take.
Spence
----
10/10/00
Hi Col,
Good point, I forgot you can get the professionals to scan
them in for you. I should have got Tesco to put them on
disc when I dropped them off but never mind.
Cool that you can just write a checque and send it to me. Still
no sign of the invoice, but who gives a rats ass now the
bench is there? :^)
When I went to take the photos, I had an eerie feeling Syd
would be sitting on the bench, like how he turned up during
the WYWH session. He wasn't though :^| For all I know my
arse is the first to sit on it.
I meant to say, the bench is directly facing some pretty
unspectacular looking greenhouses, which is a shame. I
had thought from Dr Upson's map it would be facing the
other way but there's a small hedge there blocking that
view. I suppose now that there are so few sites left we can't
be too choosy... Still if you look around you, you get
some lovely views.
Cheers,
Spence
----
21/10/00
THERE WERE 5 emails with photos attached
----
25/10/00
Just so you know, Col.
Spence
Dear Spencer
Thanks for your email below. We are still in the process of raising an
invoice, the delay being
due to problems the University is experiencing with implementation of its
new computerised
accounting system.
I have noted your new address and will forward the invoice as soon as we
receive it.
Kind regards
Deborah Allin
----
11/11/00
Hi Col,
I keep forgetting to say, the boffins must have sorted out their
PC, the invoice came last week. Came to 416.24 quid. I may as
well pay them directly, then you just send a cheque to me.
Now I've thought of it, my address is:
[addr obfuscated by bear]
[addr obfuscated by bear]
[addr obfuscated by bear]
RG40 1SB
Flamin' Pommie land
Spence
----
14/11/00
Hi Col,
As of tomorrow I'm off on a course, so shan't have email access
for the next five weeks, apart from for the odd occasion if I
come in on a Saturday. So you may not hear from
me for a while about the cheque, but don't worry.
No worries mate, pleasure to help!
Spence
-----Original Message-----
From: Turner Colin [SMTP:colin@XXX]
Sent: 14 November 2000 08:38
To: Liddicoat, Spencer
Subject: Re: They got the bloody thing working
Hi Spence
I posted the cheque today, so you should get it in around 10 days.
It's made out to you and I'm told you can cash it at any bank.
Just want to say thanks for all your help. We couldn't have done it
without you.
Please let me know when the cheque arrives and I can put this project to
bed!
Cheers
Col
----
25/11/00
Hi Col,
It arrived sometime this week while I was banged up in
Reading on a course. You remember Reading, it sucks.
Anyway, I paid it in yesterday in the bank.
Cheers,
Spence
-----Original Message-----
From: Turner Colin [SMTP:colin@XXX]
Sent: 14 November 2000 08:38
To: Liddicoat, Spencer
Subject: Re: They got the bloody thing working
Hi Spence
I posted the cheque today, so you should get it in around 10 days.
It's made out to you and I'm told you can cash it at any bank.
Just want to say thanks for all your help. We couldn't have done it
without you.
Please let me know when the cheque arrives and I can put this project to
bed!
Cheers
Col
THAT IS IT!
o/___________________
O\ cut here before...
Subject: Re: AH BLOODY HELL!!!! (was Re: Hold On To Your Hats!)
Date: May 21, 2002 at 11:07 PM
From: TURNER Colin
To: bear@meddle.org
Cc: waylandowd@XXX,wayneshelor@XXX,colin@ausinfo.com.au,
taber_william_l@XXX,10past10@XXX
Hi guys
bear just after I wrote to you before I found an email from Tim Willis in
my mail box. (Sorry Wayne & Mark I didn't send you a copy of my original
letter, I'm hoping bear will pass it on.)
Anyway below is Tim's lette and my response.
Col
**********
Hi Tim
> Hi Col - Dion Johnson told me about his encounter with Syd over your
> bench. I didn't know about the bench - tho' I've now seen pictures,
> map etc - so now it's my turn to interview you! When did you guys have
> it installed - and how did it all come about? All the best, Tim Willis
You would be aware that Dion is a personal friend of mine. I told him about
the bench earlier this year but it did not even occur to me that I should
caution him not to spread the news about the bench, as it was a very
private low key project.
I now find myself in a very awkward situation. There are others involved
who I gave my word to that details of the bench would never be given to any
sort of media. (Mainly because the donors wanted it to be our very own
project but also to protect Syd from exposure and to protect the bench from
damage).
At this time I am unable to provide you with further info. I am seeking
advice from others involved and IF they give the OK then I will tell you
all about it. However, I suspect that they will still want to shun
publicity and therefore I will be unable to assist.
I hope you understand that my word is my bond.
Regards
Col
Subject: Re: AH BLOODY HELL!!!! (was Re: Hold On To Your Hats!)
Date: May 21, 2002 at 11:29 PM
From: h.w.neff
To: TURNER Colin
Cc: waylandowd@XXX,wayneshelor@XXX,taber_william_l@XXX,
10past10@XXX,ant.hayes@XXX
TURNER Colin wrote:
>
> Hi guys
>
> bear just after I wrote to you before I found an email from Tim Willis in
> my mail box. (Sorry Wayne & Mark I didn't send you a copy of my original
> letter, I'm hoping bear will pass it on.)
hi again.
what colin sent to me, some days back, is below.
i said to you guys that i'd written some notes.
that's true but i did not contact tim willis -- i did not until
col's letter have his address.
mine were sent in hopes of getting the chap who told tim to lean
on him.
i do not know what to hope.....except a quick trip to camb. to see
it before it's trashed.
anyway, here's the relevant part of col's letter to me....
ttfn,
bear.
# hi bear
#
# i'm still away in adelaide but thought i should write and
# let you know that there is a major problem about to happen
# with regerds to syd's bench.
#
# you will recall that my friend dion told syd all about the
# bench in january? well dion told phil waters (simon's partner
# in crime) and phil has now blabbed to tim willis (who is the
# author of madcap, the new book about syd that comes out in
# october.)
#
# tim has asked dion to write his account of the meeting with
# syd and of course this is going to include the story of why he
# knocked on syd's door (to tell him about the bench). i have
# explained to dion that the bench was meant to be a private
# tribute and that we wished to keep it amoungst echoes folk
# only. however dion seems hell bent on telling the story, so
# i'm afraid the cat is going to be out of the bag real soon.
#
# i wonder if you would mind passing this info along to wayne,
# benchMark and if you can find an address for him, richard
# hayward. these are the major contributors and i feel thay
# should know what's going on. (i don't have my address book
# with me).
#
Subject: Re: AH BLOODY HELL!!!! (was Re: Hold On To Your Hats!)
Date: May 22, 2002 at 1:52 AM
From: benchMark
To: h.w.neff ,wayne shelor ,colin@ausinfo.com.au,
taber_william_l@XXX,10past10@XXX
--- "h.w.neff" wrote:
> tim is going to be a real bugger about it.
Why does he have to reveal the location in order to tell
the story? Seems to me that we might influence him to omit
the location, or to invoke creative license and say it's in
the park near the Gog Magog hills. For that matter he could
mislead by telling part of the truth -- that someone proposed
a bench at Addenbrookes Hospital -- leaving out the fact that
a different location was chosen.
> failing that, or in addition, can the admin at the botanicals
> be contacted and some effort made to move it?
> or would that do any good?
Maybe he'd be willing to put the inscribed plaque in the back
of his desk drawer for an indefinite time?
> ttfn,
> bear.
>
> benchMark wrote:
> >
> > Hi all,
> >
> > I don't think Barrett's reaction can be easily predicted.
> > That's why outsiders should leave him alone.
> >
> > Dion sounds crazy to me, too. Maybe the same advice should
> > apply. I've forgotten: how was it that Dion found the bench?
> > Heard about it in echoes and got "lucky"? If so, it proves
> > that any publicity about the bench is potentially harmful.
> >
> > benchMark
When I wrote that, I knew how Dion found it but I was
trying to be gentle with Colin. Now it seems appropriate to
be a little less shy about imposing my opinion. Colin, you
said after that, that you wouldn't tell anyone unless they
were going to Cambridge, and wrote to you and asked. Not long
after, you volunteered the info in a letter to all of echoes.
My choice would be to keep it secret from everyone who didn't
join the "bench committee". I don't think it's necessarily
a good thing even for Barrett to know about.
In case it's not immediately obvious: this would rule out
informing echoes of the problem and asking them to threaten
Tim with a book boycott. That would be counterproductive.
Regards,
benchMark
Subject: Re: AH BLOODY HELL!!!! (was Re: Hold On To Your Hats!)
Date: May 22, 2002 at 1:49 PM
From: TABER_WILLIAM_L@xxx
To: benchMark
Cc: 10past10@XXX,6rah@XXX,ant.hayes@XXX,
aterh@XXX,h.w.neff
I happen to agree with Mark on all points.
I hope to do as well at biting my tongue.
Any sort of boycott attempt would be futile and also counterproductive.
I think our best opportunity for damage control is for Colin to grant
the interview and hope to persuade Tim, as André suggested,
to be discrete and not to reveal all.
Tim certainly already knows exactly where it is.
André wrote...
> I'd suggest to tell Tim a bit of the background
> without revealing too many details and trying to
> persuade him to be descreet about it in his book.
> Colin could also demand to have a pre-read of the
> interview before he agrees (or disagrees) upon publishing.
> Just my thoughts. Dion will probably be the spoilsports
> anyway so if we can´t beat him, try to join him?
I can't say it any better than André has.
And by ALL MEANS, Colin, do grant DION a very special and private interview.
Will
Subject: Re: AH BLOODY HELL!!!! (was Re: Hold On To Your Hats!)
Date: May 22, 2002 at 4:49 PM
From: wayne shelor
To: taber_william_l@XXX,waylandowd@XXX
Cc: 10past10@XXX,6rah@XXX,ant.hayes@XXX,
aterh@XXX,bear@meddle.org
It's GREAT to hear from the recently all-too-
invisible Will Taber!:
>I happen to agree with Mark on all points. I
>hope to do as well at biting my tongue.
I'm finding myself agreeing with these boys ...
Sam, er, the cat is apparently out of the bag,
so we may have to do a bit of damage control in
an accesible-yet-discerning manner. Col ... looks
like you need to make an interview something that
comes with an agreed upon beforehand caveat: tell
him that he may reveal the existence of the
commemorative bench, but please don't reveal it's
location. It WILL be defaced ...
> > Colin could also demand to have a pre-read of the
> > interview before he agrees (or disagrees) upon publishing.
Most journalists - both real and pretend - would never
agre to such a pre-publication preview. I know in my
days of writing, I wouldn't. But I'd have no compunction
whatsoever in keeping veiled the specific location.
>And by ALL MEANS, Colin, do grant DION a very special and private
>interview.
Yeah! What HE said! DO it!
wayne
Subject: Syd's Bench
Date: May 22, 2002 at 11:30 PM
From: TURNER Colin
To: doncamillo@XXX,doncamill0@XXX
Cc: wayneshelor@XXX,taber_william_l@XXX,waylandowd@XXX,
10past10@XXX,6rah@XXX
Hi Tim
Before I get into this letter you will note that it is being sent to a
number of other people as well. These other folks played a major role in
getting the bench erected and I am keeping them informed of all
developments as we go along.
The majority of these folk have now given me the go ahead to tell the story
of the bench. We ask if you include this story in your book NOT TO DIVULGE
THE LOCATION OF THE BENCH. On the assumption that you are happy to go along
with this then I will tell all.
I (and most of the others) belong to the internets foremost Pink Floyd
mailing list called Echoes. There are around 1000 dedicated fans on this
list that has been running for many years. We have a number of members who
David Gilmour would be familiar with and others who are associated with
Roger Waters and other band members. We like to consider ourselves as one
big family and a lot of interaction occurs outside of the list as well.
Around 3 years ago a suggestion was made that we should have some sort
of 'monument' to honour Syd. I think a suggestion was thrown in that
perhaps a park bench may be a fitting tribute. Anyway, it stuck in my mind,
so I decided to make the dream become a reality.
At that time I had a sponsor for my site who paid a small amount for
each 'hit' the site received. It didn't return a great deal of money but it
occured to me that if I could get Echoes members to visit my site daily and
click on my sponsors ads, we could perhaps raise enough money to get the
bench erected. So I launched the 'Click For Syd' campaign.
The campaign certainly caught the attention on Echoes members and soon we
had hundreds of people clicking on the ads on a daily basis! We managed to
raise a few hundred dollars over a period of time but apparently what I was
doing was frowned upon by the sponsors and they terminated my account.
We still had a large shortfall in funds,from memory we needed to raise
around $1600 (Aus) or about $800 (US), although I could be way out with
those figures.
After seeking advice from others it was then suggested that I call for
direct donations. This I did and after about 6 months we managed to raise
enough funds.
It was then a 'delicate' matter of negotiating with the curator of the
Botanical Gardens about where the bench should be erected. It seems that
most of the benches in the gardens are in honour of dead people and our
negotiator never lied to the curator but simply 'forgot' to tell him that
Syd wasn't dead!
The plaque (is that how it's spelt?) was subject to much debate as to the
wording. We finally agreed on;
It's awfully considerate of you to think of me here...
Place by friends of The Piper /E\
The /E\ denoting Echoes
The wording was voted on by the folk who had made a direct donation and it
was also decided at that time that we should keep the bench a private
project to be enjoyed by Echoes members. There were several reasons for
this, including possible damage to the bench (if the word got out), the
fact that Syd would be in the spotlight again and possibly subject to
harrasment and finally that we just wanted it to be a private thing.
Since the bench was erected (about 2 years ago) some Echoes members have
visited the bench and had their photograph taken sitting on it. It's
becoming a bit of a shrine and in fact was visited by an Echoes member just
2 weeks ago and I am currently working on getting his pictures on my site.
The whole project took around 2 years to put together, it involved many
people and countless hours of discussion. However we made it and are really
proud of the result.
You know the rest of the story. Dion visited Syd on January 26 and told him
about the bench. I know you have some stills from the video and I have seen
the video and there is no doubt that Syd was thrilled with the news about
the bench, although I very much doubt he would have approved of being
filmed if he had been made aware of it. I have told Dion that I certainly
don't approve of his actions in filming Syd. (As I don't approve of the
actions of Phil Waters who twice now has climbed over Syd's back fence and
stolen his paint brushes!) I know it was Phil who tipped you off about
Dion's visit.
So now you have most of the story, as I said at the start, we are relying
on you not to divulge the location of the bench.
Regards
Col Turner
http://www.pinkfloyds.com/
Subject: Tim Willis Response
Date: May 23, 2002 at 6:58 AM
From: TURNER Colin
To: taber_william_l@XXX
Cc: waylandowd@XXX,10past10@XXX,6rah@XXX,
ant.hayes@XXX,aterh@XXX
Hi All
Here's Tim's response to my email.
Thanks, mate. I'll do just as you say. Yes, I must admit my eyebrows raised
when PW told me he'd looked over Syd's fence (interesting about the
paintbrushes - he may have to be punished in the book!); I don't know how I
feel about Dion's video; in the wrong hands, it could lead to unhappiness
chez Barrett.
Cheers
Col
Subject: Re: Tim Willis Response
Date: May 23, 2002 at 7:15 AM
From: wayne shelor
To: colin@ausinfo.com.au,taber_william_l@XXX
Cc: waylandowd@XXX,10past10@XXX,6rah@XXX,
ant.hayes@XXX,aterh@XXX
>Here's Tim's response to my email.
>
>>Thanks, mate. I'll do just as you say.
I can live with that ... I suspect it (the bench and its
location) may become some sort of madcap quest for others!
w
Subject: Syd's Bench
Date: Jun 3, 2002 at 8:28 AM
From: colin
To: h.w.neff
Cc: waylandowd@XXX,wayneshelor@XXX,taber_william_l@XXX,
10past10@XXX,ant.hayes@XXX
Hi All
It occured to me that perhaps I should make some sort of statement about the
bench being 'exposed' to Echoes before it comes out in Tim's book and is a rude
shock to everybody? I would leave the 'videotaping' out of any statements. What
do you all think?
Cheers
Col
Subject: Syd's Bench
Date: Jun 3, 2002 at 12:03 PM
From: wayne shelor
To: colin@ausinfo.com.au,bear@meddle.org
Cc: waylandowd@XXX,taber_william_l@XXX,10past10@XXX,
ant.hayes@XXX,6rah@XXX
>Hi All
G'day. Col ...
>It occured to me that perhaps I should make some sort of statement
>about the bench being 'exposed' to Echoes before it comes out in
>Tim's book and is a rude shock to everybody? I would leave the
>'videotaping' out of any statements. What do you all think?
I'm thinkin' it's a good idea, properly executed.
I would suggest something low-key - almost obtuse - instead
of a thread-igniting, pious Echoesians in-fighting generating
tale of betrayal and unmasking. Something that's alomst an
afterthought to something else you send ... maybe some new
pictures of what'shisname in concert or something! 8-{)
One thing we DON'T want to ferment is resentment or extra-list
conversations and such about the bench. 'Specially right now
when the Brits are so bollocks-up over their limp, third-tier
talent footballers representing them in the World Cup!
8-{0 !
w
Subject: Re: Syd's Bench
Date: Jun 3, 2002 at 5:18 PM
From: benchMark
To: colin ,h.w.neff
Cc: wayneshelor@XXX,taber_william_l@XXX,10past10@XXX,
ant.hayes@XXX,6rah@XXX
--- colin wrote:
> perhaps I should make some sort of statement
> about the bench being 'exposed' to Echoes
It's awfully considerate of you to think of them there,
Col, but in my opinion, no explanations are owed to anybody.
Just because the writer is exploiting a mistake, doesn't
mean you must reveal more or justify anything. Making a
cryptic statement about it, as Wayne suggests, would cause
undeserved resentment towards us. If anyone reads the book
and demands an answer, the right one is: "Sorry, no comment."
I don't quite see why this keeps coming up for a new poll.
I always take the same position, and I think the bear has been
consistent. For example, back when the idea of telling the
story to Spare Bricks was raised, he wrote:
> as was pointed out, it is in the echoes archive for those
> that care to dig.
> i'd even suggest that since it has gone quiet we let it
> sleep even as far as echoes goes.
> ttfn,
> bear.
But it comes up once again. Somebody always wants to tell
somebody something, forgetting what we said whenever we were
asked. That's why the cat out of the bag now. But if anyone
hears the cat, I'll still say, "What cat?"
benchMark
Subject: Re: Syd's Bench
Date: Jun 4, 2002 at 2:58 AM
From: colin
To: benchMark
Cc: h.w.neff ,wayneshelor@XXX,taber_william_l@XXX,
10past10@XXX,ant.hayes@XXX
Hi All
I tend to lean Mark's way about 'no comment' but expect I will cop a lot
of flack when the book comes out. Perhaps I should cross that bridge
when I come to it?
In the meantime, unless there is an overwhelming demand to do otherwise,
I will not say anything further about this matter.
Cheers
Col
Subject: Re: Syd's Bench
Date: Jun 4, 2002 at 10:32 AM
From: h.w.neff
To: colin
Cc: benchMark ,wayneshelor@XXX,
taber_william_l@XXX,10past10@XXX,
ant.hayes@XXX
in the several intervening months, i am sure you can find a
flak jacket on ebay. ;-)
another option would be to work on a standard reply, such as
"no comment."
or, if you're feeling particularly verbose you could confirm
that you were involved and expand the above to
"yeah, no comment."
ttfn,
bear.
colin wrote:
>
> Hi All
>
> I tend to lean Mark's way about 'no comment' but expect I will cop a lot
> of flack when the book comes out. Perhaps I should cross that bridge
> when I come to it?
>
> In the meantime, unless there is an overwhelming demand to do otherwise,
> I will not say anything further about this matter.
>
> Cheers
>
> Col
Subject: Re: Syd's Bench
Date: Jun 11, 2002 at 1:20 PM
From: TABER_WILLIAM_L@xxx
To: benchMark
Cc: 10past10@XXX,6rah@XXX,ant.hayes@XXX,
aterh@XXX,h.w.neff
Now that I've returned from the beautiful northwest to the hot-n-muggy Midwest...
I think Mark's "no comment" comment needs no further comment!
Subject: MADCAP
Date: Oct 20, 2002 at 4:35 AM
From: Colin Turner
To: bear@meddle.org,wayneshelor@XXX
Cc: gwsiii@XXX,waylandowd@XXX,unclesam5@XXX,
taber_william_l@XXX,10past10@XXX
Hi All
Just found the following at http://www.pink-floyd.org/barrett/madcbarr.htm
In the winner (sic) of 2001, a hard-core group of fans (who call themselves
'Echoes' and use '/E\' as their symbol) paid for a dedicatory bench to be
placed in Cambridge, in a location which they have asked to be
kept 'secret'.
One of their number, an Antipodean called Dion Johnson, knocked on
Barrett's door to show him a map of where to find it, and was delighted
that his taciturn hero not only asked for a copy of the map, but gave him
a 'R K Barrett' autograph. [...]
Not exactly accurate (and I noticed quite a few spelling errors in the
main body of the article).
The person who is referred to as stealing the paintbrushes from Syd's back
yard is none other than Phil Waters. (I didn't tell you that!)
Should Echoes know about this bear?
Cheers
Col
Subject: Re: MADCAP
Date: Oct 21, 2002 at 11:32 AM
From: h.w.neff
To: Colin Turner
Cc: wayneshelor@XXX,gwsiii@XXX,waylandowd@XXX,
unclesam5@XXX,taber_william_l@XXX
well, i'm sure that others will start finding it and that it
will be posted to echoes at some point.
ttfn,
bear.
Colin Turner wrote:
>
> Hi All
>
> Just found the following at http://www.pink-floyd.org/barrett/madcbarr.htm
>
> In the winner (sic) of 2001, a hard-core group of fans (who call themselves
> 'Echoes' and use '/E\' as their symbol) paid for a dedicatory bench to be
> placed in Cambridge, in a location which they have asked to be
> kept 'secret'.
> One of their number, an Antipodean called Dion Johnson, knocked on
> Barrett's door to show him a map of where to find it, and was delighted
> that his taciturn hero not only asked for a copy of the map, but gave him
> a 'R K Barrett' autograph. [...]
>
> Not exactly accurate (and I noticed quite a few spelling errors in the
> main body of the article).
>
> The person who is referred to as stealing the paintbrushes from Syd's back
> yard is none other than Phil Waters. (I didn't tell you that!)
>
> Should Echoes know about this bear?
>
> Cheers
>
> Col
Subject: Syd's Bench Update
Date: Dec 10, 2003 at 6:52 AM
From: Colin Turner
To: wayneshelor@XXX,taber_william_l@XXX,waylandowd@XXX,
10past10@XXX,6rah@XXX
Hi All
Long time since I gave an update.
The bench had another visitor a few weeks ago. Edison from South America
came and parked his bum on the bench and his pictures can be seen at
http://www.pinkfloydz.com/ss22b.htm
Edison has told me that the bench has been moved! I understand it's not
too far from where it was before but I think it's now closer to the
fountains. Edison is going to knock up another map when he gets a chance.
I'm not going to post the info to Echoes, rather just keep it amoungst
ourselves.
Cheers
Col
Subject: Re: Syd's Bench Update
Date: Dec 10, 2003 at 2:11 PM
From: h.w.neff
To: Colin Turner
Cc: wayneshelor@XXX,taber_william_l@XXX,waylandowd@XXX,
10past10@XXX,6rah@XXX
moved?
can we get them to do that once a year, and always with
a plain bench at the old site and a little sign that
says "have you got it yet?" ?
odd that they'd move it without telling anybody...or did
they?
ttfn,
bear.
Colin Turner wrote:
>
> Hi All
>
> Long time since I gave an update.
>
> The bench had another visitor a few weeks ago. Edison from South America
> came and parked his bum on the bench and his pictures can be seen at
> http://www.pinkfloydz.com/ss22b.htm
>
> Edison has told me that the bench has been moved! I understand it's not
> too far from where it was before but I think it's now closer to the
> fountains. Edison is going to knock up another map when he gets a chance.
>
> I'm not going to post the info to Echoes, rather just keep it amoungst
> ourselves.
>
> Cheers
>
> Col
Subject: Re: Syd's Bench Update
Date: Dec 11, 2003 at 3:16 AM
From: Liddicoat, Spencer
To: h.w.neff
Cc: Colin Turner ,wayneshelor@XXX,
taber_william_l@XXX,waylandowd@XXX,10past10@XXX
Well, as far as I know my email address is the only one they have, and
they didn't tell me, so I guess not.
Spencer
On Wed, 2003-12-10 at 20:17, h.w.neff wrote:
> moved?
> can we get them to do that once a year, and always with
> a plain bench at the old site and a little sign that
> says "have you got it yet?" ?
> odd that they'd move it without telling anybody...or did
> they?
> ttfn,
> bear.
>
> Colin Turner wrote:
> >
> > Hi All
> >
> > Long time since I gave an update.
> >
> > The bench had another visitor a few weeks ago. Edison from South America
> > came and parked his bum on the bench and his pictures can be seen at
> > http://www.pinkfloydz.com/ss22b.htm
> >
> > Edison has told me that the bench has been moved! I understand it's not
> > too far from where it was before but I think it's now closer to the
> > fountains. Edison is going to knock up another map when he gets a chance.
> >
> > I'm not going to post the info to Echoes, rather just keep it amoungst
> > ourselves.
> >
> > Cheers
> >
> > Col
--
Spencer Liddicoat, Ocean Scientist (Ocean Carbon Cycle)
Met Office, Fitzroy Road, Exeter, Devon
tel: 01344 884884 fax: 01344 88xxxx
www.metoffice.com
Subject: cat benched......cat, what cat?
Date: Jul 27, 2005 at 5:46 PM
From: h.w. neff
To: taber_william_l@XXX,benchMark ,10past10@XXX,
6rah@XXX,ant.hayes@XXX
hi all.
it has been a little over 3 years since this particular
group has had any significant communciations, at which
point (just by way of reminder) it was going along
like this:
But it comes up once again. Somebody always wants to tell
somebody something, forgetting what we said whenever we were
asked. That's why the cat out of the bag now. But if anyone
hears the cat, I'll still say, "What cat?"
benchMark
i'm sure that some email addresses may have changed.
if you know of such a one, kindly forward this note.
also if you think that the list is incomplete, please
let me know -- neither col nor i seem to have a
coherent list.
what i would like now is to get a current snailmail
from each of you.
send it to me asap please.
thanks.
ttfn,
bear.
Subject: [SPAM 9.2 of 5.0] Syd's Bench
Date: Jul 11, 2006 at 11:01 PM
From: Col Turner
To: benchMark
Hi Mark
Hope this finds you well.
With the sad passing of Syd, I have had an offer from
the Bannisters (Former promoters of the Bath &
Knebworth festivals) about placing some flowers
on Syd's bench.
As there no longer seems to be a need to protect
Syd's privacy, I was seeking your thoughts on having
the bench photographed with the flowers on, and
advertising the bench as a place to lay flowers as
a memorial. What say you?
Best
Col
--
A Fleeting Glimpse
http://www.pinkfloydz.com/
Roger Waters On Tour
http://www.rogerwatersontour.com/main.htm
David Gilmour On Tour
http://www.gilmourontour.com/
Subject: Re: [SPAM 8.8 of 5.0] Syds Bench
Date: Jul 26, 2006 at 4:05 AM
From: benchMark
To: h.w. neff ,Antony Hayes ,royharper@XXX,taber_william_l@XXX,10past10@XXX
Cc: waylandowd@XXX,nonprophet1@XXX
My apologies because some of you got this twice. It seems there
was a problem in doing a reply-to-all from Andre's email. Please
let me know if any of the addresses I used are redundant.
--- Andre Terhorst wrote:
> Now, personally, I wouldn't mind letting Tom have a peek at the
> pictures.
It seems that Tom has already seen the pictures, but for
some reason -- possibly just to annoy me -- he is trying to
stir things up. He isn't discreet, and I say "no" to giving
him further access.
Tom referred to http://www.sydbarrett.org/abenchforsyd.htm
which was posted by the guy who, after hearing about the bench,
went and bothered Barrett at his house and shot video of him
from close up without permission, etc.
benchMark
Subject: [SPAM 8.8 of 5.0] Re: Syds Bench
Date: Jul 26, 2006 at 5:09 AM
From: Col Turner
To: benchMark
Cc: h.w. neff ,Antony Hayes ,
royharper@XXX,taber_william_l@XXX,
10past10@XXX
Hi All
> It seems that Tom has already seen the pictures, but for
>some reason -- possibly just to annoy me -- he is trying to
>stir things up. He isn't discreet, and I say "no" to giving
>him further access.
>
I agree 100%
Col
Subject: Re: [SPAM 8.8 of 5.0] Re: Syds Bench
Date: Jul 26, 2006 at 11:30 AM
From: Andre Terhorst
To: Col Turner ,benchMark
Cc: h.w. neff ,Antony Hayes ,
royharper@XXX,taber_william_l@XXX,
10past10@XXX
Hoi,
At 12:09 26-7-2006, Col Turner wrote:
>Hi All
>
>> It seems that Tom has already seen the
>> pictures, but for some reason -- possibly just
>> to annoy me -- he is trying to stir things
>> up. He isn't discreet, and I say "no" to giving him further access.
>I agree 100%
Alright, no problem.
Although it doesn't sound like the Tom I seem to
know from Echoes, no goodies for him :-)
Jemig De Pemig!
,,_ _ ___
,'( ) /-\ndré |erhorst
|`V | E-Mail : aterhorst@XXX
/- <
=~~~-.
L
Subject: Re: [SPAM 8.8 of 5.0] Re: Syds Bench
Date: Jul 26, 2006 at 8:21 PM
From: h.w. neff
To: Andre Terhorst
Cc: Col Turner ,benchMark ,
Antony Hayes ,royharper@XXX,
taber_william_l@XXX
hoi andre.
it is indeed tom hood (th) from echoes.
the subject of the bench came up (it was confused with dave ward's
send-a-get-well-card-from-a-bazillion-floyd-fans-to-syd-in-the-hospital
idea) in another set of conversations and he turned to echoes for a
reminder.
nothing sinister....and nothing to do with "dion" [damn him for pestering
syd and videotaping the event] and his syd appreciation society website.
(btw, i sent him a note, bcc'd you guys.)
ttfn,
bear.
Andre Terhorst wrote:
> Hoi,
>
> At 12:09 26-7-2006, Col Turner wrote:
>> Hi All
>>
>>> It seems that Tom has already seen the pictures, but for some
>>> reason -- possibly just to annoy me -- he is trying to stir things
>>> up. He isn't discreet, and I say "no" to giving him further access.
>> I agree 100%
>
>
> Alright, no problem.
> Although it doesn't sound like the Tom I seem to know from Echoes, no
> goodies for him :-)
>
>
> Jemig De Pemig!
> ,,_ _ ___
> ,'( ) /-\ndré |erhorst
> |`V | E-Mail : aterhorst@XXX
> /- <
> =~~~-.
> L
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